I wrote a post, “Sellers, Are You Really Interested In Selling?” My friend, Christian Mauer, true to form, often poses some of the most challenging questions to my post. He did this asking, “Dave, why are you so interested in selling?”
The answer is easy, but perhaps worth explaining. I’m obsessed with selling—all things selling. I’m driven to find and close deals. I’m driven to help clients address really tough problems. I’m fascinating to learn more about selling, different approaches, different tools, things others do to succeed. I’m excited by how selling is changing and the future of selling. I see so much that we can and should do to drive our and our customer success.
The “problem solving” is fascinating–whether it’s helping a customer/client solve a problem, or looking at how we sell better. I’m obsessed with my failures in selling—what did I do wrong, what might I have changed, what do I have to do to win next time?
When others ask me this question, I reply, “I get up every morning and do my hobby! I get to work with people faced with very tough problems, I get to learn so much, I have so much fun——and they pay my exorbitant fees! What could be more fun or better?”
Let me dive into it, how did I get here, why did I choose selling, particularly when it was not an obvious choice decades ago.
First, I credit my parents with how they raised me. They wanted us to constantly learn, grow and develop. We wandered the country and the world, seeing different cultures and ideas. When I was in nursery school, they bought us puzzles. Once I mastered putting together a puzzle, my father would turn it over, showing only the blank backs of the cardboard pieces. I learned how to put the puzzle together based on the shapes and not the picture. Perhaps that was a foundation to my obsession with problem solving.
Later in first and second grades, they bought me kits of science experiments. They were crazy things, but I was constantly using–and mis-using them. Sometimes I wanted to see what happened if I didn’t follow the directions.
Years rolled past, I went to the university, studying engineering and theoretical physics. I was fascinated with discovering new things, developing new theories. I planned to get my PhD, followed by teaching and research in the University.
I got diverted from that with my very first start-up. While skiing, I met an inventor. We discussed this product he was developing. We talked about different materials, designs, technologies that would improve the product or it’s maneuverability. At a very young age, I suddenly became, a start up guy. I was Chief Technologist and VP of Product Engineering for this fascinating product. We developed some initial interest, but we failed miserably! I began to realize it takes more than a great product to build a successful company. I was curious about why we failed and what we should have done to be successful.
This led me to get a MBA. On graduating, I interviewed for all types of jobs, getting lots of offers. Some exploiting my analytic/problem solving skills, some different. For some crazy reason, I interviewed with IBM for a sales role. They said, “We’re not interested, we don’t think you have what it takes to sell…..” I got pissed off, “How could these people tell me I’d fail!” I decided to prove them wrong, I kept interviewing at different IBM offices to get an offer. I was a fast learner and motivated to prove them wrong. Eventually, I got an offer. I ended up taking a role in Manhattan selling to big banks.
Once I got through my training program, I was assigned as the junior sales person on a team selling to one of the largest banks in the world. My team mates had the major data centers. I was assigned to prospect and find new opportunities in this single customer. I had a $27.5M quota and no idea how to meet it. But I was challenged with figuring out how to do this.
I wandered around talking to bankers about their departments, problems, challenges. Eventually, I found people with problems and I started talking to them about their problems and what they might do about them.
One of the most fun things I discovered about this was working with other people in figuring out how to solve tough problems. In my “science work,” much of my “problem solving” consisted of staring at my navel, thinking about tough theoretical physics problems. What I discovered and loved about selling is I was still focused on solving very tough problems. But this time I was working with other people to solve them–customers, people within the company. The process of working with other people figuring things out was one of the most exciting things I could do.
I found myself fascinated with all the little things–the details of understanding and solving problems, the details of engaging people. The tools, techniques that could make me most productive. One of the most fascinating afternoon’s I spent with a customer was standing with a stop watch, measuring what time it took for people to get things done. Learning that, enabled me to get a $60M order for a computer that wasn’t budgeted. And if I had not done it, I never would have gotten the order. I realized this in hindsight, I just was really curious about the details of how they were working.
Over time, through a number of promotions, I started to recognize that what sellers do and what I was driven to do was: Find very tough problems, work with very smart people to figure out how to solve these tough problems.
One of the things that sucked me in deeper, made me more curious in wanting to figure it out, was the people element. Many of the problems were, from a technology point of view, had relatively straightforward, though possibly not easy solutions. But the thing that screwed things up or made them more challenging was the people element. How do you get people aligned around solving tough problems?
Over my career, it’s been a consistent pattern of solving bigger and bigger problems, in all sorts of situations, cultures, and people. Figuring things out, experimenting with new things, understanding and working with people drove both the challenge and the satisfaction in helping them succeed.
Over the years, the challenges were constantly changing. Different problems, different people. A world that seemed to be changing faster than our ability to respond to it. New ways of doing things, constant learning and experimentation. Failure has and does play a huge role in what drives me. It pisses me off, I can’t stand being told I can’t do something, I want to prove them wrong. So I’m driven to learn from that failure.
In reflecting on this, you see consistent patterns or compulsions. All focused on innovation, problem solving, continually learning, doing this with and through other people.
But there’s something beyond this obsession, and, at least in my case, I think it’s the most important thing that sustains me through my failures and successes. It’s enormous FUN! I can’t imagine doing anything more fun than what I do every day. Yeah, sometimes it’s frustrating, sometimes I need to take a break and go for a ride, hit the gym, or fly to an exotic locale. But I’m always impatient to return.
No I’m not interested in everything having to do with selling. I’m obsessed with it, I’m obsessed with learning everything about it and trying new ideas. I get such great joy working with sellers and customers figuring things out.
Everyday, I get up, I get to do my hobby, the thing that creates so much joy. And I get to work with some of the smartest people in the world who want to do the same thing. I’m living my dreams!
So that’s why I’m interested in selling.
In the spirit of continuing the conversation, I’d love to hear from you on “Why are you interested in selling?” I’d love to collect your stories in the comments, perhaps we can publish these.
Alex Shootman says
Dave, being obsessed with selling depends upon the story you tell yourself about ‘What is Selling’. If you imagine selling to be Herb Tarlek from WKRP or Vin Diesel as Chris Varick in Boiler Room, you should hate it. But if you see selling for what it really is, you will know it is one of the most noble professions. I love selling and the story I tell myself about the definition of great selling is ‘Exchanging what you have or what you know for what some else hopes for’. Done wrong is manipulative. Done right is a gift to the other person. To exchange what you have or what you know for what someone else hopes for you must have the three C’s that all the greatest sales people in history have. Communication, Connection and Conviction.
To be a great salesperson you have to communicate in a clear and compelling manner. Clarity is about simplicity or as Ernest Hemingway said, “Easy writing makes hard reading”. And you have to be compelling, use a format such as The Hero’s Journey or even more simply realize that the greatest story ever told is about someone who overcomes something to get what they want. The someone is the customer. The something is the thing they hope for. Your job is to be Samwise Gamgee and carry Frodo up Mount Doom. Your communications should tell them the story that is going to occur.
To be a great sales person, you have to connect with the customer. Connecting means you understand them. Deeper, connecting means you empathize with them. Even deeper, connecting means that you are personally invested in helping them get what they want. In business to business selling, your customer gets paid to buy things. You are not extracting money from them against their will with some Jedi mind trick, you are helping them invest the resources of their company to accomplish things that are important to them. One of the greatest rewards for good selling is to see your customer get promoted.
Finally to be a great sales person you must have conviction that the product or service you are selling is truly good for your customer. You have to believe that what you have or know will help the customer get what they hope for. If you don’t believe in what you are selling; stop selling.
Arthur Schopenhauer wrote, “Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.” Some have sales talent. Few have sales genius. Real sales genius is being able to discern what your customer hopes for, connect with them authentically so that you understand it, have conviction that you are truly helping them overcome something to get what they want and communicate in a clear and compelling manner their future after acquiring what you have or what you know.
There are a lot of great jobs out there, but for me, selling the pinnacle.
Grahame Don says
Hi Dave,
I got into selling almost by chance… As a young man, all I ever wanted to be was an Army Officer like my grandfather. My mother talked me out of it in my final year of High School. For a number of years after that I was lost. I went to University to study a bachelor of Arts majoring in history, but whilst it was interesting my heart wasn’t in it. After two years of partying – they kicked me out. I ended up running service stations until one day not long after my first child was born, they made me redundant from my job. So, I needed a job quickly and found myself applying for a job at a local lift truck (forklift) company.
I took that job in 1997, and I’ve been working in sales ever since..
Though sales, I have travelled much of the world, experienced different cultures, learnt so much, and have come in contact with wonderful people.
My sales journey (I imagine like many) started with cold calls, either in person or over the phone. Suddenly the old landline (back then) weighed more than two bricks!
Over time I developed the craft, reading books by Zig Ziglar, Dale Carnegie and alike. As I improved and gained a reputation, I began to work for larger organizations.
Up until 2015, most of my passion for sales was a love of ‘the game’, always trying to do better, close more, close faster, and a genuine interest in people.
In 2015, everything changed when I met David A. Brock. My employer had engaged David to fly to Australia to conduct sales workshops with a company I had just started with. It was my first week. Suddenly, I understood what some of the Sales Managers that had come and gone from previous positions had been trying to say – “Pipeline” meant nothing to me, because until I met Dave, I had no idea what the stages were. Until now, my success was all effort, and some personality – no science. I was terrible at “qualifying” – I wasted so much time. For me this meeting would be a turning point.
Today, I am not only passionate about selling, but also introducing the next generation to ‘sales’.
John Tan says
What a journey Dave!!
The sales journey is such a personal thing and everyone’s story is so different. I think thats what makes the sales game so interesting. As much as we try and apply firm logic to the approach it still requires human intuition and people engagement to get higher levels of success. Sure digital has its place but a lot of our customers have complex problems to solve, be heard and want trust as an underlying factor.
I had my first sales role selling shoes when I was in University. I loved the leaderboard, I loved getting out of my comfort zone as I wasn’t a natural outbound person but the competition pushed me to put that aside. I also have been a customer who has been sold to and I totally empathise with our sales team and how difficult it is to really know what challenges an organisation is going through.
These formed a foundation for me. My interest in selling today has evolved based on what we sell and why we do so. It is 3 fold:
Competition – I love competing and I love working with the sales teams on outwitting and outselling our competitors. I want our teams to feel the tension and reward of putting together compelling propositions which allows us to play to our stengths.
Transformation – working in technology allows us to change the way people go about their every days. Whether its Universities, Public Services, Hospitals, or Retail. The motivation and satisfaction we get from being a part of big projects means we are positively changing customer engagement, customer experience and productivity.
People – seeing people prosper and provide for their families through a successful sales career is very satisfying. Sales is such an exposed career that the results are very clear. The good side of that exposure is that it creates a possibility for people to also be successful in life through a competitive and rewarding career. For me this investment of success in their success is personally rewarding for me. I also often spend time coaching our managers on how best to foster this for the team as individuals.
Thanks for encouraging this conversation!!
David Brock says
Such a great story John, thank you.