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		<title>By: Your Selling Process&#8211;It&#8217;s Not Optional, It&#8217;s A Condition Of Continued Employment &#124; Partners in EXCELLENCE Blog -- Making A Difference</title>
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		<dc:creator>Your Selling Process&#8211;It&#8217;s Not Optional, It&#8217;s A Condition Of Continued Employment &#124; Partners in EXCELLENCE Blog -- Making A Difference</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] about this issue extensively, I won&#8217;t repeat myself.  If you want, re-read the article, But We Have A Sales Process&#8230;&#8230;.  I&#8217;d like to focus on another issue&#8211;critical for sales executives in leading the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about this issue extensively, I won&#8217;t repeat myself.  If you want, re-read the article, But We Have A Sales Process&#8230;&#8230;.  I&#8217;d like to focus on another issue&#8211;critical for sales executives in leading the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Stein&#39;s Blog for Sales Leaders &#187; Sales Training: 12 Obstacles We Must Overcome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Stein&#39;s Blog for Sales Leaders &#187; Sales Training: 12 Obstacles We Must Overcome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] methodology in place.  I hope you&#8217;ve been reading what experts like Jonathan Farrington and Dave Brock have been posting about sales methodology and process.  Check out the leading industry [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thinking Outside the (Check)Box</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thinking Outside the (Check)Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Excellence and I had a nice exchange over sales processes last week. He started with a post titled But We Have a Sales Process. As the comments piled up, he added another post titled A Great Sales Process &#8211; Elegant In [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Brock</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim and Eric, thanks for your comments.  You each raise an issue that I have been lamenting about in other posts for some time.  If you look at it, sales people, sales managers, consultants and guru&#039;s have been having the same conversation for decades (at least as I can trace back in the professional literature).  We talk about diagnosing, solving problems, the complex sales, customer focus, solutions focus, consultative, and the latest buzz word, provocative selling.  We develop new buzz words to express similar ideas.

However, if you look at it, the fundamentals we are talking about were discussed by Peter Drucker in his writings in the 50&#039;s.  Mack Hanan wrote &quot;Consultative Selling&quot; in the late 60&#039;s, and Neil Rackham&#039;s work was well known in the late 60&#039;s and early 70&#039;s.  Everything since then has been fundamentally a re-expression of that work.  

Now here&#039;s the kicker, we are talking about the same issues, with the same sense of transformational urgency.  Take provocative selling as the latest incarnation.  It is simply helping the customer achieve their business goals, solve their problems (realized or not).  The key question is why are we, as a profession, still acting like Bill Murray in GroundHog Day?  Why do we keep talking about the same thing, why can&#039;t we execute and grow--as a profession an move beyond this.  I first started selling in the late 70&#039;s.  I learned a consultative, problem solving sales approach.  Why are we still having the same conversations?  Why are we packaging and repackaging the same ideas (though the repackaging has some merit because it causes you to look at things from a slightly different perspective)?  What causes us, as a profession, to be having the same conversation over and over.

I have some guesses about this,and have spoken to other thought leaders about this issue.  Recently, I spoke to Mack Hanan, and we tend to agree.  I&#039;d be interested in your views.  

Thanks for the comments.  I&#039;m really looking forward to the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim and Eric, thanks for your comments.  You each raise an issue that I have been lamenting about in other posts for some time.  If you look at it, sales people, sales managers, consultants and guru&#8217;s have been having the same conversation for decades (at least as I can trace back in the professional literature).  We talk about diagnosing, solving problems, the complex sales, customer focus, solutions focus, consultative, and the latest buzz word, provocative selling.  We develop new buzz words to express similar ideas.</p>
<p>However, if you look at it, the fundamentals we are talking about were discussed by Peter Drucker in his writings in the 50&#8242;s.  Mack Hanan wrote &#8220;Consultative Selling&#8221; in the late 60&#8242;s, and Neil Rackham&#8217;s work was well known in the late 60&#8242;s and early 70&#8242;s.  Everything since then has been fundamentally a re-expression of that work.  </p>
<p>Now here&#8217;s the kicker, we are talking about the same issues, with the same sense of transformational urgency.  Take provocative selling as the latest incarnation.  It is simply helping the customer achieve their business goals, solve their problems (realized or not).  The key question is why are we, as a profession, still acting like Bill Murray in GroundHog Day?  Why do we keep talking about the same thing, why can&#8217;t we execute and grow&#8211;as a profession an move beyond this.  I first started selling in the late 70&#8242;s.  I learned a consultative, problem solving sales approach.  Why are we still having the same conversations?  Why are we packaging and repackaging the same ideas (though the repackaging has some merit because it causes you to look at things from a slightly different perspective)?  What causes us, as a profession, to be having the same conversation over and over.</p>
<p>I have some guesses about this,and have spoken to other thought leaders about this issue.  Recently, I spoke to Mack Hanan, and we tend to agree.  I&#8217;d be interested in your views.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the comments.  I&#8217;m really looking forward to the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: David Brock</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, great observations.  It reminds me of the expression, &quot;if you don&#039;t know where you are going, any road will get you there.&quot;  Beginning with the end in mind---and working backward on how you get there is fantastic.  As you point out, we tend to do the reverse, we only think of the next step, then the next, then the next, purely reacting and not driving purposefully to the end.

As you point out, we would be so much more effective if we were purposeful in what we do.  Sales is about trust and relationships.  It is also about purposefulness in helping the customer achieve their goals as we also achieve ours.

Great observations.  Thanks for contributing.  I look forward to your future comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, great observations.  It reminds me of the expression, &#8220;if you don&#8217;t know where you are going, any road will get you there.&#8221;  Beginning with the end in mind&#8212;and working backward on how you get there is fantastic.  As you point out, we tend to do the reverse, we only think of the next step, then the next, then the next, purely reacting and not driving purposefully to the end.</p>
<p>As you point out, we would be so much more effective if we were purposeful in what we do.  Sales is about trust and relationships.  It is also about purposefulness in helping the customer achieve their goals as we also achieve ours.</p>
<p>Great observations.  Thanks for contributing.  I look forward to your future comments.</p>
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		<title>By: David Brock</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, thanks for your thoughtful views.  I can&#039;t help tinkering, thought.  A sales process is more than something to track an opportunity.  It is a road map to guide sales professionals in facilitating their customers&#039; buying processes.  It is designed to help the sales person be effective and efficient the organization&#039;s business strategies and priorities.  An analogy I&#039;ve used before, is there are many ways to drive from Caliornia to New York.  The path you choose depends on your goals and objectives---different organizations will chose different paths. 

The process should stimulate &quot;thought-fullness&quot; with the sales person, and not be a blindly executed checklist.  In inspecting the process, for example the questions you ask a person, one of the goals is to look at the quality of their thinking about the sales opportunity.  If they cannot answer basic questions having to do with the process, that should make a manager suspect and cause further inspection---both to win the deal and, if they consistently can&#039;t answer these questions, of the person&#039;s abilities as a sales person.

Unfortunately, people focus on activities and transactions, not the process.  When we do this, we lose the opportunity to really understand performance and drive great performance---which is the point you make very nicely.

Thanks for taking the time to comment, please keep it up.  It creates a great dialog!

We put the process in place because it enables us to achieve goals effectively and efficiently.  We inspect how well our people are executing the process--which should be considered as guidelines</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, thanks for your thoughtful views.  I can&#8217;t help tinkering, thought.  A sales process is more than something to track an opportunity.  It is a road map to guide sales professionals in facilitating their customers&#8217; buying processes.  It is designed to help the sales person be effective and efficient the organization&#8217;s business strategies and priorities.  An analogy I&#8217;ve used before, is there are many ways to drive from Caliornia to New York.  The path you choose depends on your goals and objectives&#8212;different organizations will chose different paths. </p>
<p>The process should stimulate &#8220;thought-fullness&#8221; with the sales person, and not be a blindly executed checklist.  In inspecting the process, for example the questions you ask a person, one of the goals is to look at the quality of their thinking about the sales opportunity.  If they cannot answer basic questions having to do with the process, that should make a manager suspect and cause further inspection&#8212;both to win the deal and, if they consistently can&#8217;t answer these questions, of the person&#8217;s abilities as a sales person.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, people focus on activities and transactions, not the process.  When we do this, we lose the opportunity to really understand performance and drive great performance&#8212;which is the point you make very nicely.</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to comment, please keep it up.  It creates a great dialog!</p>
<p>We put the process in place because it enables us to achieve goals effectively and efficiently.  We inspect how well our people are executing the process&#8211;which should be considered as guidelines</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Burnheimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Burnheimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I have found that not only do some organizations fail in consistently using a process to land that first sale from a prospect, but then they have no process at all on how to ensure you gain repeat business and how to grow the relationship from there.  In short, to quote Mr. Covey, they don&#039;t begin with the end in mind, so the process is either absent altogether or fatally flawed.
Too many sales organizations assume the sales person has achieved a level of trust or respect from the initial success and his/her relationship skills will carry the day from there.  That is not a process but it happens much too frequently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I have found that not only do some organizations fail in consistently using a process to land that first sale from a prospect, but then they have no process at all on how to ensure you gain repeat business and how to grow the relationship from there.  In short, to quote Mr. Covey, they don&#8217;t begin with the end in mind, so the process is either absent altogether or fatally flawed.<br />
Too many sales organizations assume the sales person has achieved a level of trust or respect from the initial success and his/her relationship skills will carry the day from there.  That is not a process but it happens much too frequently.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, a great observation especially the criteria in closing sales.  From my experience, a sales process helps to track an opportunity from start to finish and most CRM claimed they are the process.  However, while it is good to know the process, what is more important as you pointed out are the criteria that they could not answer you while at the final stage of the negotiation.

The sales process may be in place used or unused but what is the point when the sales team could not understand how to execute the criteria which I quote from your blog &quot;They had two key activities in the discovery phase of their sales process:  Understand the customer decision making process and who is involved.  Also, Understand the criteria by which the customer will evaluate the investment in the solutions and justify it internally&quot;.  

The centre of the sales process is to be able to link their solutions to the business drivers of their decison makers and demonstarte clearly the financial benefits and in another word ROIs.  The discovery process is in understanding the business priorities of the BDMs.

Sadly, most experienced understand the process but they just don&#039;t know how to execute the part on engaging BDMs and convert the access into value and thus they lost their strategiuc deals and customers and finally lose all interest in upkeeping the sales process and those without sales process, this discussion does not exist.

Thanks
Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, a great observation especially the criteria in closing sales.  From my experience, a sales process helps to track an opportunity from start to finish and most CRM claimed they are the process.  However, while it is good to know the process, what is more important as you pointed out are the criteria that they could not answer you while at the final stage of the negotiation.</p>
<p>The sales process may be in place used or unused but what is the point when the sales team could not understand how to execute the criteria which I quote from your blog &#8220;They had two key activities in the discovery phase of their sales process:  Understand the customer decision making process and who is involved.  Also, Understand the criteria by which the customer will evaluate the investment in the solutions and justify it internally&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The centre of the sales process is to be able to link their solutions to the business drivers of their decison makers and demonstarte clearly the financial benefits and in another word ROIs.  The discovery process is in understanding the business priorities of the BDMs.</p>
<p>Sadly, most experienced understand the process but they just don&#8217;t know how to execute the part on engaging BDMs and convert the access into value and thus they lost their strategiuc deals and customers and finally lose all interest in upkeeping the sales process and those without sales process, this discussion does not exist.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Great Conversation on Sales Process &#171; Better Selling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Conversation on Sales Process &#171; Better Selling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first blog was written by David Brock, &#8216;But We Have A Sales Process&#8221;. To quote David, &#8220;Without a process, selling is like taking a random walk through the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sales Process Problems: Turn by Turn Guidance is Unavilable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sales Process Problems: Turn by Turn Guidance is Unavilable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Brock at Partners in Excellence writes one of my favorite blogs. Last week he wrote a piece titled But We Have a Sales Process where he outlines the fact that most organizations he works with have a sales process in place, be [...]</description>
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